The idea of Demiurge was, however, addressed before Plotinus in the works of Christian writer Justin Martyr who built his understanding of the Demiurge on the works of Numenius.[12]. The team arrived at the Avenger's Tower and with the help of the newly reformed Vision, located additional assistance to rescue Hulkling. 2023 GAMESPOT, A FANDOM COMPANY. All matches made by Wiccan will clear their row or column, dealing damage and generating AP. In order to reconcile Aristotelian with Platonian philosophy,[5] Plotinus metaphorically identified the demiurge (or nous) within the pantheon of the Greek Gods as Zeus.[6]. This edit will also create new pages on Comic Vine for: Until you earn 1000 points all your submissions need to be vetted by other For Billy to activate his reality-bending magic, He must focus on a desire or idea and vocalize, repeating quickly what he wants in order for a spell to be cast. Level 4: While Wiccan has Mystical Destiny, he will transform into the Demiurge if you have at least 7 AP in all colors. However instead of recreating them as her children, they ended up as the children of other parents. True Parents. The ordering principle is twofold; there is a principle known as the Demiurge, and there is the Soul of the All; the appellation "Zeus" is sometimes applied to the Demiurge and sometimes to the principle conducting the universe. The utopian parallel was said to be created by and I quote the very breath of demiurge stated by America herself multiple times. The team defeat the creature, but Wiccan's spell is still in tact. Billy Kaplan is a Young Avenger and later found out that he and Speed are the Scarlet Witch's formerly dead twin sons. [7] This is the God above the Demiurge, and manifests through the actions of the Demiurge. He recognizes that the Scarlet Witch may not be ready to be found and feels that he is happy enough with his present life. Billy and his boyfriend Teddy were among those gathered at the meeting. And viewing his dimension in comic book format in order to banish mother. Wiccan and the other imprisoned anti-registration heroes were later freed by Hulkling who disguised himself as Hank Pym to infiltrate the N-Zone prison. And what about him supposedly rewriting the laws of magic? Iron Lad had used a system he found in the remains of the Vision which helped locate alternative members for the Avengers for the next generation. [28], Opinions on the devil, and his relationship to the Demiurge, varied. T. That arc was about him being possessed by octopus-cthulu, who basically broke . To Plotinus, the second emanation represents an uncreated second cause (see Pythagoras' Dyad). It was here that Billy revealed to Teddy that Norse myths have always had a special meaning for him because his father used to read them to him at night. He seems to also ignore chanting spells when he's angry or extremely emotional. THE STORY ISNT FINISHED as I keep saying. In the theoretic of Plotinus, nous produces nature through intellectual mediation, thus the intellectualizing gods are followed by a triad of psychic gods. Quispel, Gilles and Van Oort, Johannes (2008), p. 143. 2. Plotinus also elucidates the equation of matter with nothing or non-being in The Enneads[9] which more correctly is to express the concept of idealism or that there is not anything or anywhere outside of the "mind" or nous (c.f. The Young Avengers managed to escape to Billy's household. The false team, dubbed Young Avengers Lite by Billy, states their intention to continue to fight crime. They started off by helping out the community, such as saving people from a burning building. Then within this intellectual triad Iamblichus assigns the third rank to the Demiurge, identifying it with the perfect or Divine nous with the intellectual triad being promoted to a hebdomad (pure intellect). He has the power to rewrite and shape reality to his will. Wiccan was greatly convinced that their connection to the Scarlet Witch was evident, though Tommy was more skeptical. Wiccan hoped that revealing their existence to Wanda would help her regain her sanity and return to the Avengers. Plato's work Timaeus is a philosophical reconciliation of Hesiod's cosmology in his Theogony, syncretically reconciling Hesiod to Homer.[1][2][3]. He briefly achieves this form, and is able to view the past, present and future, as well as freely alter the universe. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. His inclusion on the team allowed the future X-Men to gain mastery over both science and magic. The Demiurge, having received a portion of power from his mother, sets about a work of creation in unconscious imitation of the superior Pleromatic realm: He frames the seven heavens, as well as all material and animal things, according to forms furnished by his mother; working, however, blindly and ignorant even of the existence of the mother who is the source of all his energy. With a thought, he puts a group of bad guys in a coma. In Middle Platonist and Numenius's Neo-Pythagorean cosmogenies, the Demiurge is second God as the nous or thought of intelligibles and sensibles[4] (Middle Platonism and Neo-Pythagoreanism overlapped: both originating in the early 1st century BC and extending through to the end of the 2nd century AD or even into the 3rd century). The Ophites held that he and his demons constantly oppose and thwart the human race, as it was on their account the devil was cast down into this world. Billy Kaplan never had a problem being different than other people. As the Demiurge, Wiccan has the power to shape reality to his will. He wiped out Mother and nothing else. A partially powered Demiurge (aka the Semiurge) holds off Mother's attacks, Fully turns into the Demiurge through the power of love. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. He also has power over all realities and all possible worlds. The second principle is organization in its reflection of the nonsentient force or dynamis, also called the one or the Monad. on 01/09/22 Teleports an entire prisoner van to a secure SHIELD location. The blasphemous falsity of the Gnostic claim to control the higher powers by magic and the absurdity of their claim to cure diseases by casting out demons (ch. People need to get over the fact that they potrayed it as him standing on the comic panels. When the Scarlet Witch used her powers to recreate the world after the House of M event, she inadvertently recreated both William and Thomas as well. As such, he falls in with Blade's Strikeforce to track the shifters. Of note here is that while Plotinus' student Porphyry names Christianity specifically in Porphyry's own works, and Plotinus is to have been a known associate of the Christian Origen, none of Plotinus' works mention Christ or Christianitywhereas Plotinus specifically addresses his target in the Enneads as the Gnostics. The Wiccan and Hulkling of Earth-616 didn't approve of this, and later Wiccan and Hulkling from Earth-721 was sent home. Nebro creates six angels in addition to the angel Saklas to be his assistants. Wiccan is capable of a variety of feats, including, but not limited to: In House of M, Wanda recreated her sons William and Thomas as the younger members of the Magnus family. The "One" is further separated into spheres of intelligence; the first and superior sphere is objects of thought, while the latter sphere is the domain of thought. 14). In refuting the beliefs of the gnostics, Irenaeus stated that "Plato is proved to be more religious than these men, for he allowed that the same God was both just and good, having power over all things, and himself executing judgment. Hippolytus claims that Simon used a similar description.[30]. Wiccan discovered that he and the newest recruit, a youth with super speed by the name of Tommy Shepard, were identical in appearance. At the consummation of all things, all light will return to the Pleroma. Billy and Teddy began to battle the Wrecking Crew, warning them against disgracing this sacred space. He IS omniversal. [27], He is Demiurge and maker of man, but as a ray of light from above enters the body of man and gives him a soul, Yaldabaoth is filled with envy; he tries to limit man's knowledge by forbidding him the fruit of knowledge in paradise. In school, he met a tremendous amount of hate and fear because he was different. You need to read the story again. The confrontation led to a battle between Kang and the Young Avengers. This vilification of the creator was held to be inimical to Christianity by the early fathers of the church. As he writes in his commentary on John 4:21. But until proven otherwise he isn't. How is it likely that shes not lying when the demiurge is still a thing everywhere else? In Young Avengers vol. 'wisdom'), the Demiurge's mother and partial aspect of the divine Pleroma or "Fullness," desired to create something apart from the divine totality, without the receipt of divine assent. Respect William "Billy" Kaplan, aka Wiccan. However, at this point in time, Wiccan doesn't have sufficient control over his powers to fully utilize the Demiurge's powers. Later on, he started using magic and could perform all kinds of spells. Knocks out multiple people simultaneously, Manipulates water to to knock away a Skrull. [8] This self-reflection of the indeterminate vitality was referred to by Plotinus as the "Demiurge" or creator. There are instances, however, where he doesn't need to chant to cast a spell. Wiccan and Hulkling were surprised to discover their Earth-A counterparts signed up for the Initiative and joined the army without their knowledge. Acts as a safeguard while the Scarlet Witch and Doom try to access the Earth's Life Force, which is what gave HoM Wanda her powers. 1. But Yaldabaoth, the Demiurge, with the material world, will be cast into the lower depths. Sophia (Greek: , lit. The New Avengers wasn't suggesting it was really bad if that is the case. Hence the title of Plotinus' refutation: "Against Those That Affirm the Creator of the Kosmos and the Kosmos Itself to be Evil" (generally quoted as "Against the Gnostics"). Instead, the Young Avengers continued to function as a team, now using Kate Bishop's resources to support them. The box set would prove to be one of the last Marvel Legends products produced by ToyBiz before the Marvel license transferred to Hasbro. He started out in the Young Avengers with the code name Asgardian, using only lightning powers. You just said yourself the universe he destroyed was fixed by time travel, so not beyond time or reality or time travel would not affect it. Wiccan ( William " Billy " Kaplan-Altman [1]) is a fictional character appearing in American comic books published by Marvel Comics. It's existence has been retconned hence he has no such feats. It was originally a common noun meaning "craftsman" or "artisan", but gradually came to mean "producer", and eventually "creator". As the Demiurge, Billy is destined to "rewrite the laws of magic" in the universe, meaning that he is a being of power on a massive scale. In response, Billy, now enraged, summoned a devastating blast of lightning that quickly took down the entire Wrecking Crew. So youre attempts to try and debunk his multiversal status arent gonna work. Billy used his magical abilities to send Sentry away, taking Osborn's most valuable team member off the board. The mountain represents the Devil, or his world, since the Devil was one part of the whole of matter, but the world is the total mountain of evil, a deserted dwelling place of beasts, to which all who lived before the law and all Gentiles render worship. The team is quickly defeated even after the team of Initiative recruits arrive. He seems to be steadily losing ground, until Teddy appears to him. pantheism). Unhappy about this, Billy uses a location spell to find the team, and the real Young Avengers confront the false ones. Team Affiliations: Young Avengers, New Avengers/AIM (soon). The Young Avengers agreed that in order for reality to stabilize, Iron Lad must return to his own time. Billy scoffed at her advice and told her maybe if he had powers like her he could. The wizard's power is so powerful it sent Adam through the multiverse and disrupted the omniverse, so this is another nice feat for the Unkindness." The group travels to New York to discuss what they should do, but they are found by Ms. Altman, and defeated. Wiccan, Speed, and Hulkling team up with Xavin and the Runaways to defeat the Super-Skrulls that are sent to assassinate Hulkling. His appearance is patterned on that of two prominent Marvel superheroes, Thor and Scarlet Witch, both of whom are members of the Avengers. Plotinus sought to reconcile Aristotle's energeia with Plato's Demiurge,[5] which, as Demiurge and mind (nous), is a critical component in the ontological construct of human consciousness used to explain and clarify substance theory within Platonic realism (also called idealism). The Young Avengers are seen fighting a terrorist group called the Sons if the Serpent. In order to test if his feelings are genuine, the two agree to temporarily break up. Soon after, Billy married his longtime boyfriend, Hulking, however, their new life is briefly interrupted when Hulking takes his rightful place as the king of a Kree and Skrull alliance. He should win here. Turner, "Gnosticism and Platonism", in Wallis & Bregman. He briefly achieves this form, and is able to view the past, present and future, as well as freely alter the universe. The members are Quentin Quire, Patriot, Lightspeed, Speedball and Sophie, Mindee and Esme Cuckoo. Not to mention we never get a reason why a chump like Loki would know this when all kinds of greater beings and entities appear to be unaware. Though the former understanding certainly enjoys the greatest popularity, the identification of Plotinus' opponents as Gnostic is not without some contention. He joined Ultron in attacking the Avengers. The main character refers to the Demiurge as the entity who "fashioned and shaped" the material world. Not even remotely correct. He comes from heaven, and it is said his "face flashed with fire and [his] appearance was defiled with blood". A lot of comic books inspired WandaVision, including House Of M and the 1985 The Vision And The Scarlet Witch limited series (by writer Steve Englehart and artist Richard Howell.) He looks at all of reality beneath his feet, Returns to his main body from infinite realities, Scan this QR code to download the app now. They insanely overrated wiccan. Shards: The Shards are the fragments of Primordial beings and are slightly stronger than any Demiurge. When Billy leaves the team, Sunspot gifts him a NYC penthouse for he and Hulking to retire to. She and Cassie also convinced Billy to change his alias from "Asgardian" to "Wiccan" in acknowledgment of his new powers (and due to "Asgardian" being exploitable by the media in relation to Billy's sexuality and relationship with Hulkling). Wiccan can augment his strength through magic. The earliest Gnostic sects ascribe the work of creation to angels, some of them using the same passage in Genesis. He has to say the action he wants to happen in order for the spell to be cast. Wiccan, Speed, and Hulkling team up with Xavin and the Runaways to defeat the Super-Skrulls that are sent to assassinate Hulkling. Christos Evangeliou has contended[52] that Plotinus' opponents might be better described as simply "Christian Gnostics", arguing that several of Plotinus' criticisms are as applicable to orthodox Christian doctrine as well. [18] So Irenaeus tells[19] of the system of Simon Magus,[20] of the system of Menander,[21] of the system of Saturninus, in which the number of these angels is reckoned as seven, and[22] of the system of Carpocrates. But the devil, as being a spirit of wickedness, is able to recognise the higher spiritual world, of which his maker the Demiurge, who is only animal, has no real knowledge. Youre trying to use something that yet to be finished or explained. The figure of the Demiurge emerges in the theoretic of Iamblichus, which conjoins the transcendent, incommunicable One, or Source. Something to note is that Wiccan didn't know where he was teleporting to, so the spell probably just teleported him to safety. Tanks eye beams from Sentry, and comes out unscathed. In the future, Wiccan will become the Demiurge, a singular multidimensional Messiah, according to Loki. He should curb here. 07:49AM During the AXIS event, following the Inversion of several heroes and villains on the island of Genosha, the Red Skull was held captive in the Avengers Tower. Loki tells them that they need his help in order to destroy the parasite, and they agree. Dude The Unkindness negs I can break this down if you want, and I talked too both authors . Realizing how hard Hulkling's life has been, Wiccan decides to do something to make it up to him, and finds an alterate universe's version of his Hulkling's mother, saving her before her death. His powers thus far have manifested on a localized scale in a variety of ways through the upper limit of his powers has yet to be seen. Are they confirmed it or hinted about it? When it is employed by other Gnostics either it is not used in a technical sense, or its use has been borrowed from Valentinus. His parents openly accepted his sexuality and welcomed Teddy as a member of their family. 2). He called a large meeting, inviting everyone who'd ever held Avengers membership to join him in the Tower. "For, in sum, a part of their doctrine comes from Plato; all the novelties through which they seek to establish a philosophy of their own have been picked up outside of the truth." However the utopian parallel was still created by the demiurge. That was in America (2017) which is what youre referring to. He has received some form of training from Loki during his time in the Young Avengers, so he may take less time to cast his spells and have better control. The law of necessary procession and the eternity of the universe (ch.3). They go to the Uncanny Avengers for help, but they too fall under the influence of the parasite. Didnt this Raven end her universe? Several systems of Gnostic thought present the Demiurge as antagonistic to the will of the Supreme Being: his act of creation occurs in an unconscious semblance of the divine model, and thus is fundamentally flawed, or else is formed with the malevolent intention of entrapping aspects of the divine in materiality. A hundred years? William was believed to be Malachi, who attacked the Avengers during the Crossing story arc. and our Plotinus specifically points to the Gnostic doctrine of Sophia and her emission of the Demiurge. It is possible to interrupt the cast, and apparently if he can't hear himself chanting the spell, it won't cast. Something being made from a gods breath is standard prose about creation. The Monad emanated the demiurge or Nous (consciousness) from its "indeterminate" vitality due to the monad being so abundant that it overflowed back onto itself, causing self-reflection. Outside, Magneto arrives, saying that he wants Billy help to locate his daughter. In that series, Wanda and Vision conceive twin sons. Although a fashioner, the demiurge is not necessarily the same as the creator figure in the monotheistic sense, because the demiurge itself and the material from which the demiurge fashions the universe are both considered consequences of something else. [34], The angelic name "Ariel" (Hebrew: 'the lion of God')[35] has also been used to refer to the Demiurge and is called his "perfect" name;[36] in some Gnostic lore, Ariel has been called an ancient or original name for Ialdabaoth. . Wiccan continued as a member of the Young Avengers (now including Tommy as "Speed") until the events of Civil War and the Superhero Registration Act forced the team to go underground as part of Captain America's anti-registration team of superheroes. Jeff Kaplan (father) Rebecca Kaplan (mother) two unnamed younger brothers Theodore Altman (fianc) Wiccan has a wide range of superhuman powers derived from an unconfirmed source. No she's above Hectate the goddesses of magic in the multiverse . . After a possessed Scarlet Witch and Doctor Doom cast the Inversion spell again, the "evil" heroes reverted to their heroic selves, and the trapped Avengers were freed. 588 B. SMT. She reassured him that "Everyone has some gift," and advised him that next time he encounter Kessler, not to back down. The philosophical usage and the proper noun derive from Plato's Timaeus, written c.360 BC, where the demiurge is presented as the creator of the universe. With a thought, he puts a group of bad guys in a coma. All you do is scream the same thing over and over contradicting yourself. Youre really trying to use a brand new scan that hasnt been explained in a still unfinished story. Understanding that there was no choice, Iron lad returned to the future, bidding his teammates farewell. The Demiurge regretted even its slight imperfection, and as he thought himself the Supreme God, he attempted to remedy this by sending a Messiah. Doctor Strange has also claimed that Wiccan has the potential to be the next Sorcerer Supreme. He even held the comic panels in his hands and manipulated what was going to happen in then for gods sakes Im pretty sure he takes this. His spellcasting is unique, however. Around the time the two boys are physically 10, they begin to display superpowers, with Tommy having inherited his uncle Pietro's super speed and Billy displaying magical powers similar to the ones used by his mother. He and Teddy decided to work with her, and took her out on a training mission against Hydra squadrons. This is the one in Future State right? Am not jumping the gun, am presenting the evidence as is. 9). "[47], Catharism apparently inherited their idea of Satan as the creator of the evil world from Gnosticism. ), c.360 BC. 09:51 Andrew Stets ft. Soncesvit - Gutsul. The Demiurge who created the elder gods is not even the same entity, as the writer who came up with this nonsense for Wiccan confirmed, the great old ones that pic talks about appear to be the many-angled-ones, who are not even the same as earths elder gods created by the demiurge and again get over the fact that it shows him with comic panels, that has happened with lesser characters, what he actually does in that scan is wipe out one being from another dimension mostly powered by Billys standard powers and transport a bunch of fodder back through the portal they were right next to. The Gnostics adopted the term demiurge. forces, the heroes of Earth went to its rescue. Teddy assisted Billy by posing as him while he and Speed went on a search for the Scarlet Witch to learn more about their past. [40], According to Marcion, the title God was given to the Demiurge, who was to be sharply distinguished from the higher Good God. On Earth-91172, a world ravaged by the Hulk, Wiccan is a member of the Next Wave of Heroes - the last heroes of earth. The team agrees to look for Speed and they use Miss America's interdimensional powers to find him. The advice from Pandemonium helped Billy, who is sated for now. Timaeus describes the Demiurge as unreservedly benevolent, and so it desires a world as good as possible. When his powers first manifested, he nearly killed someone. (Kick Duck Dancing) 16:52 GG - Petrivka 19:49 Daniel Christian ft. Kolly Dee - Slava Ukraine 23:19 Andrew StetS feat. Ridiculous arrogance of the Gnostics who refuse to acknowledge the hierarchy of created gods and spirits and say that they alone are sons of God and superior to the heavens (ch. 1). she absorbed the realms of nightmare and dream . Demiurge Wiccan has more impressive feats. Gnosticism attributed falsehood or evil to the concept of the Demiurge or creator, though in some Gnostic traditions the creator is from a fallen, ignorant, or lesserrather than evilperspective, such as that of Valentinius. [28][42] And as Achamoth herself was only the daughter of Sopha the last of the thirty Aeons, the Demiurge was distant by many emanations from the Propatr, or Supreme God. Later, the Neoplatonist Iamblichus changed the role of the "One", effectively altering the role of the Demiurge as second cause or dyad, which was one of the reasons that Iamblichus and his teacher Porphyry came into conflict. Raven as the unkindness absorbed infinite planes, timelines, multiverse, gods etc Point blank, "the author confirmed on Twitter that the transformation lightning of the Wizard couldn't even harm the Unkindness, it's basically unstoppable and it's implied that Adam needs to travel back in time to prevent Raven from getting these powers. And he is impious in his arrogance which is in him. Billy and the other Young Avengers were then confronted by Iron Man, Captain America, and Jessica Jones who disapproved of their unsanctioned vigilantism. Billy experiments with some names, adopting the name Demiurge, but later reverts back to Wiccan. This_Confused_Guy 1 yr. ago My guyThat scan literally from said comic book run America:Made in the USA (2021) provided nothing of the sort to prove that the utopian parallel was recton at least not yet. Wiccan last edited by Read the scan I posted above. Until 1974 etymologies deriving from the unattested Aramaic: , romanized: bhth supposedly meaning 'chaos' represented the majority view. Evangeliou, "Plotinus's Anti-Gnostic Polemic and Porphyry's Against the Christians", in Wallis & Bregman, From "Introduction to Against the Gnostics", Plotinus', Armstrong, pp. The team was split up, running rescue missions, relief missions, and interference across Asgard. Tanks eye beams from Sentry, and comes out unscathed. That night, however, the woman attacks Wiccan's parents. Realizing that the Scarlet Witch must be a prisoner of Doctor Doom, Billy sneaks into Latveria on his own to find her. @killianduclark: Thats not even remotely debunking anything. Before the Vision could reveal the identity of the father, a battle erupted between Kree and Skrull forces over the fate of Hulkling. A second? Since that night, Billy's father never did. Loki literally says "you're gonna rewrite the laws of magic across all realities". hansfenton123 The word dmiurgos properly describes his relation to the material; he is the father of that which is animal like himself.[15]. Unable to allow another to suffer Kessler's abuse in his place, he confronted Kessler. I get how powerful wiccan is i really do but LMAO WHAT THE HELL IS HOMEBOI DOING TO THE UNKINDNESS, @yungbaby: Shes the ultimate villain of the DC multiverse, it happened during the future state event. The Demiurge belongs to the second kind, as he was the offspring of a union of Achamoth with matter. None of which are multivetsal. 1012). John Kessler was Billy's main nemesis and after receiving a beating that left him sore and bloody, Billy went to his favorite place to calm down -The Avengers Mansion. [44] According to one variant of the Valentinian system, the Demiurge is also the maker, out of the appropriate substance, of an order of spiritual beings, the devil, the prince of this world, and his angels. 6). Doctor Strange has also claimed that Wiccan has the potential to be the next Sorcerer Supreme. Billy explained to the woman what had happened and was shocked to see the woman was none other than Scarlet Witch. This tradition of creator God as nous (the manifestation of consciousness), can be validated in the works of pre-Plotinus philosophers such as Numenius, as well as a connection between Hebrew and Platonic cosmology (see also Philo).[11]. Also, considering the evidence from the time, Evangeliou thought the definition of the term "Gnostics" was unclear. While Billy agrees to be tested, the Young Avengers help his to escape from Avengers Tower. The Demiurge of Neoplatonism is the Nous (mind of God), and is one of the three ordering principles: Before Numenius of Apamea and Plotinus' Enneads, no Platonic works ontologically clarified the Demiurge from the allegory in Plato's Timaeus. The Young Avengers later encountered both Kate Bishop and the daughter of the late Ant Man (Scott Lang), Cassie Lang. One night, Billy was angry at his father for no good reason, and yelled at him, telling him never to read to him again. Some readers believed the twins Malachi and Tobias to have been the kidnapped children of the Scarlet Witch and Vision. The demiurge is also[29] described as having a fiery nature, applying the words of Moses to him: "the Lord our God is a burning and consuming fire".
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