I get under 3 hours in eco, so I guess it's taking up more than 150 W per hour on average. Its considerably bulkier than Shimano EP8, dominating the Levos frame profile while also putting limitations on rear wheel clearance. Yeah you're right but I feel like the biggest factor is still rider weight. The ability to customize the boost is very useful, with Shimano's app you can dial it in to your preferences. Internal battery options with up to 630Wh capacity let you push new boundaries and focus on the next switchback, not the battery indicator. The EP8 motor and 630Wh battery are both known quantities and we can probably work out how far it will go based on other bikes, but it's an interesting omission nonetheless. Delivering a sleek design, the battery also charges quickly and retains its max capacity longer throughout its lifespan. Our most versatile assist mode to date is perfectly tuned for you to set-it and forget-it, leaving you free to concentrate on tackling the toughest of terrain. HOME So this one article, about this one e-bike, says to you that ALL e-bikes lack refinement and therefore aren't worthy of you gracing them with your holy ass? - Low-drag performance SL ebikes such as the Orbea Rise use a 360Wh unit, while Norco's. For a refined and integrated aesthetic, SHIMANO STEPS BM-E8030 battery mount integrates into the downtube of compatible E-BIKE frames. Like their predecessors, all Shimano STEPS batteries are extremely long-lasting, taking up to 1000 full charge cycles while maintaining 60-percent of their original capacity, double the charge cycle capacity of other batteries, often outlasting the average e-mountain bike ownership. Riders can customize multiple settings through the E-TUBE PROJECT app, giving greater control over how they want their bike to ride. This means its impossible to tell whether you have 21% or 49% battery remaining. Im the worlds biggest ebike fan & I quite agree. I have a gen 3 and it's totally quiet when coasting . Compatible with all Shimano drivetrains whether Di2 or mechanical, derailleur or internally. You can hear it in the workshop just by lifting the rear wheel and dropping it on the ground, where it sounds a bit like a loose pebble bouncing around inside a wooden box. Did some rides on a scott e-genius 920(2020) and my biggest one I did was a 115 km with 2000 meters of ascent ,19 km average speed,all in the eco mode and riding some rocky terrain with some tarmac ,fire roads ,very mixed terrain ,and I did got impressed with the power and the range ,didnt got me so tired on the legs its most a cardio ,but dont put more power on them and no more battery capacity,cause it wil make them almost a dirt bike :-((. If speed and maximum power output is less of a concern though, switching into the factory Eco mode is a sure-fire way to get more ride time expect range to double from those figures above. While I am at the age/account to have one, I couldn't imagine riding longer than my 630W battery lasted, i don't think i would be able to walk for a week. Robust and reliable, LINKGLIDE delivers smooth, seamless shifting under power with enhanced durability. Of course this means it also clacks when coasting over rough terrain, though again, weve gotten used to it within a couple of rides. @tomdesoals: Yeah, I get that now that bikes have become more silent anything new that makes noise can become annoying. Power less, battery smaller, it lighter is.. Would "every time you push the on switch" have been more understandable? Rattling and lack of update to the battery monitoring is a no go for me, I would just upgrade the battery to the new 620s if i could fit it. (Subttulos en Espaol) - YouTube #ebike #emtb*** Subttulos en Espaol, pincha en ajustes***Sam's Bikes is a dedicated Ebike Mountain. If riders prefer the additional support provided by boost mode or they plan to tackle next to impossible climbs, they will appreciate the greater bike control even with maximum power delivery in boost thanks to the new algorithm. I think we lost grit when we all got smart phones. Chainring for E-MTB (12-speed) VIEW PRODUCT. 2023 Thok TK01 R Review | A surprising package from an Italian e-MTB specialist, 2022 Canyon Spectral:ON Review | A better e-MTB in almost every way, 2023 Trek Fuel EXe Review | This brand new lightweight e-MTB is the stealthiest weve ever tested, Rocky Mountain Altitude Powerplay Review | Power is nothing without control, This website requires Javascript for optimum viewing purposes. New batteries recently released by Shimano are available for EP8, including two 630Wh battery options, the external BT-E8016 and internal BT-E8036 battery. I'm honestly flabbergasted that people complain about it tbh lol. Thanks to a magnesium casing, the powertrain is 380g lighter compared to that of its predecessor. Simply enjoy what you are riding and watch the world, I should say, e-bike world, pass you by, as they are here to stay and while they are not perfect they are probably the best and most exciting thing to happen to the bike industry in 50 years! So when the new version is so much better Refinement is all relative. Stab happy!". THIS WEBSITE USES COOKIES TO IMPROVE YOUR USER EXPERIENCE. Wed much rather see battery life displayed as a percentage, and the option to customise the screen. This bike also gets a Shimano drivetrain but it's upgraded to the SLX range with some Deore sneaking its way in, taking the place of the cassette and chain. Not the first time Shimano has screwed the pooch with recent launches. Its clear why this motor is becoming popular with so many bike brands, given the flexibility it offers frame designers, particularly with the variety of battery options on offer. 3. Couldn't agree more. Think of the classic couple with fit 100kg male with big backpack and 60 kg female with smaller backpack. Ebikes are cool but not quite refined enough to jump in yet. And you're clearly not pedaling, just pure flow. At the same time, riders will notice an increase in range simply because the new assist algorithm doesnt waste energy when it isnt needed. A downside of the 2.2 motor is that it is noticeably draggy above the 25km/h cutoff though something we experienced during back-to-back between the Levo and Canyon Spectral:ON. Funny that motor has a gear box, but only one gear? So despite being an engineer the non-linear noisy nature of the reporting makes it very difficult to plan rides and I almost always finish the last few km without assistance for bigger rides. So, when the sensor senses a negative elevation gain, the dynamo kicks in to recharge the battery. Still, that clutch design means it is impressively drag-free beyond the cutoff point. Pros - extremely quiet Cons - annoying rattling noisesums up 2020! Overall it is a very refined system though. It's really, really quite quiet. This is due to the internal clutch mechanism, which allows the motor to disconnect from the cranks when not in use, thereby decreasing drag and resistance. You can improve efficiency by limiting the maximum torque, though it is still possible to get maximum power out of the motor by pedalling at a higher cadence, so you wont necessarily get more range by limiting torque. It's like a dirt bike with a 15 mile range. EP8 EP800 Series: Color: Standard: Average weight * 0.31 (Power cable: 250 mm) * 0.32 (Power cable: 400 mm) Remarks And compared to E8000, the new EP8 motor is considerably more powerful on the trail, whilst retaining the smooth and intuitive delivery that weve always dug about Shimanos drive units. Can they make it swappable with a gear box? On my e8000, my impression was (now on a Trek Rail w a Bosch gen 4) that if you were at two bars, you were really at one, and if you were at one, youd better be a couple of blocks from home. Limiting the maximum torque is something youll notice more at low cadences in high-load applications rather than general trail riding. How stuff like this gets through what I would like to think was extensive testing I will never know. On the trail the tone of the clack is a little deeper than the EP8 drive unit, but the cause is the same. You are using an out of date browser. Then we'll fix that for you. With the Spectral:ON for example, which has very short chainstays and a relatively slack seat tube angle that puts your weight further over the rear axle on steep climbs, it helped to dial down the Assistance Character (to 6/10), the Maximum Torque (to 78Nm) and the Assistance Start (to 4/5) to soften the bikes power and acceleration. available in a new 160mm length in addition to 165, 170, 175. Too hot to handle even. Overall very pleased with the bike and the motor. EP8 delivers up to 85 Nm of torque, a 21-percent increase over the STEPS E8000 motor platform. this dude knows how to write a review, well done. The EP8 is also tuned to give more power in Trail mode without affecting range. Here youll find three sliding scales for each of the three assist modes (thats Eco, Trail and Boost). I'm not an ebike hater - but (you knew it was coming) - I can't ever see myself being able to justify the expense of one and I wouldn't like to risk a second hand one. That would be awesome to do laps on. @tomdesoals: Ah, thanks I get it. Its a little different though, with Orbea detuning the motors power and assistance to improve efficiency so it can use a smaller and lighter 360Wh battery. Simply enjoy what you are riding and watch the world, I should say, e-bike world, pass you by, as they are here to stay and while they are not perfect they are probably the best and most exciting thing to happen to the bike industry in 50 years! Truly unfortunate you lost it. SM-CRE80-B. Riders can save all of their settings as a profile in the E-TUBE PROJECT app and choose two of their favorite profiles to load onto the bike for easy access on the fly through the handlebar mounted display. Those Merida ebikes ride quite good too. Thus when I'm carrying a spare battery I can get up to 60 mile rides in, which e-bike or not, is still a hell of a day in the saddle. The SC-EM800 computer communicates wirelessly with Shimanos E-TUBE PROJECT app via Bluetooth, allowing riders to instantly customize power characteristics on demand. With all 85 Nm of torque being available in TRAIL mode and the algorithm continually increasing the assist ratio, its possible to ride all but the most demanding terrain without changing modes. Lapierre e-zesty. Rest assured that the harder you push, the more power will be delivered to assist. We like to setup Profile 1 with softer settings for maximum range when riding solo, and Profile 2 with the punchier factory settings for faster e-MTB group rides. if you success increase speed. The svelte motor casing provides more clearance for the rear wheel and suspension components, allowing brands to build their bikes with shorter chainstays. A kilometre later that estimation dropped to 14km, then not long after to 9km, then to 5km, before the motor automatically switched into emergency limp home mode. Also a big improvement over the prior motor is that the EP8 freewheels easily, so on flats or downhill you can blast away without motor resistance. Shimano STEPS EP8 Motor and 630wh Battery. The 2021 Canyon Spectral:ON gets Shimano's smaller, lighter, smarter, and more powerful EP8 motor, and a larger 630Wh battery for increased range. Along with the svelte carbon frame, that helps to reduce the total bike weight to as low as 16.2kg, creating a potentially worthy adversary to the Specialized Levo SL. It isnt a huge difference, but sometimes its just enough for your rear wheel to make it up and over a stubborn tree root or rock ledge. Yeah, that's pretty poor! Yeah but who needs all that power? Rob has ridden the bike, so make You must log in or register to reply here. Ive only charged 2x. One note on range Shimanos range estimation is not reliable. I found this beauty as an example: The reviewer weighs 55kgs. I weighed around 70kg and cadence was between 70-100rpm with mostly lowest gear and mostly asphalt. Mkay? I suppose pedal assist allows you to tackle the more fun/steep/tech climbs but to be effective it needs to be subtle too. When youre at those 30-40km/h descending speeds, EP8 doesnt punish you for stamping on the pedals to build some extra speed in the lead-up to a jump or dropoff. That's worse to, because 20kg dead weight doesn't contribute like 20kg of normal, muscle-laden body mass. If you aren't climbing steeps and requiring the torque, you would get way longer distance. Unfortunately this clutch also produces a metallic clack whenever it rotates back and fourth. Despite the musclier performance, weve had excellent results in terms of range, with the Bosch motor regularly achieving more miles and elevation over EP8. Designed specifically for SHIMANO's STEPS system, the BT-E8036 battery integrates smoothly into the down tube and features 630 Wh capacity. Shimano's EP8 motor will be specced on a range of top brands 2021 eMTB's including the majority of Merida's ebike range which benefits from the extra performance of the EP8. Recalled but still was delivered with the rattle. Let us know what those are so we can demand them! For riders scoping out bigger rides than that, youll want to consider dialling down the Assistance Character to improve efficiency. Also choose from a wide variety of crank, chain and chainring options. This is a Class 1 e-bike motor with a maximum assist level of 20 MPH. Can someone make a bike with 50% - 100% assist? Then theres the BT-8035-L battery, which is a 504Wh battery that shares the same physical dimensions as the 630Wh version. . Merida was the first to release a 2021 eBike running an EP8 and we've actually already ridden it in this video.For 2021, Merida has added the EP8 a larger 630Wh Shimano battery and improved the . Good thing with Shimano is warranty,at least here in Madrid is almost instantaneous. Indeed Shimano EP8 is starting to become available across quite a wide range of bikes at various price points. I tried to find out the cause of this. Chain rings and spider are common with other STEPS systems and support chain lines of 50, 53, and 56.5mm for 9, 10, 11, and 12 speeds, A new assist switch (SW-EM800) features larger buttons with greater tactile feedback, A new chain guide (CD-EM800) matches the design of the simple and compact CD-MT800 in a, New EW-SD300 e-tube wires are faster due to increased bandwidth and provide greater, opportunities for new features in the future while reducing component and wire weight, Mounting bolts are located in the same position as other STEPS drive units allowing bike manufacturers the ability to design a common frame platform for multiple price points, SHIMANO SERVICE CENTERS On top of that, Shimano also appears to be cool with brands building their bikes with non-Shimano batteries. No, you're running the latest EP8. Assistance Character This adjusts the motors support level, which is how easily the motor delivers its power based on your input. What's your experience on this? While midly annoying, it only takes a couple button presses to get back to get an 800% stabbing strength increase! What is rattling? DISCONTINUED PRODUCTS, SHIMANO SERVICE CENTER | MANUALS & TECHNICAL DOCUMENTS | DISCONTINUED PRODUCTS, Privacy Policy | Cookies Preferences | Terms of Use | Legal info. > Its also a very quiet motor when pedalling. Wowzers! A dynamo and regenerative braking is the ONLY thing stopping from buying an e-bike? > Click on a component to learn more. Theres still a whirring noise from the metallic gears inside, and the pitch increases slightly at higher cadences. The Brose Mag S motor has been used in the Specialized Levo and Kenevo since 2018, though it was recently updated for the release of the new Levo. More power, less weight, even more efficient and the biggest battery Shimano offer. I'd do way more on a big day. MANUALS & TECHNICAL DOCUMENTS Environmentally I think they're a disaster as well - rare earth elements in the batteries for one thing. That just isn't real world riding though, you just don't spend all your time in boost mode. ON CFR with a 720Wh battery is 21.84 kg, 610g lighter than its 630Wh battery-rocking predecessor. Just remember to manually unpair your phone from the bike before you start riding again, as the motor wont engage while the system is paired to the app. *When compared with a standard Shimano EP8/630Wh battery combo. This gives a very wide and flexible power band that does well to match what your legs are doing, making this the go-to, set-and-forget mode for proper off-roading. That makes it tricky to work out how much assistance youll be finishing your ride with. You miss that obscure offering from Specialized? Shimano tried to take the Apple approach to antennaegateyou're holding your phone wrongyou're coasting your bike wrong. Our batteries are designed to keep you out on the trails and riding further. My take away besides the obviously pro/con talking points was the weight of the bike. Another bike that features Shimano EP8 is the new Orbea Rise. I wish real bike reviews were this detailed. The thing is though, you do actually get used to that noise. Designed specifically for SHIMANO's STEPS system, the BT-E8036 battery integrates smoothly into the down tube and features 630 Wh capacity. That is, spme pretension or a clutch like system. Merida's eONE-SIXTY EP8 / 630Wh battery-equipped eMTB's start from around 4.200 / 3,800, and EP8 / 630Wh battery-equipped e-hardtails from around 3.500 / 3,200. From what I get from the article, what would actually bother me more is how it kicks in from a standstill or trackstand. . The downside for Bosch is that its display options leave a lot to be desired. You can't call an e-bike rider lazy when they try to overtake you making this sound. Certainly of all the full-power motors weve tested, Shimano EP8 affords the most seamless feel as the power fades in and out around the assistance cutoff. Just got my first 29er. However, you do pay for all that refinement and integration. Your own weight is really the one thing that effects the battery capacity together with tires and the ground surface. the rattle it because the sprag bearing that used to be used in most motors has been replaced by DT swiss style star ratchet drive rings. I have to admit some of the comments make me laugh out loud while others score some points for being helpful and based on fact, not hearsay fiction. You dont necessarily go further, but you will be riding and climbing faster. Take note of how much elevation you achieve during those rides (elevation is more important than distance when determining range), and keep that number in mind when youre planning future all-day epics. Don't worry: "Every time you start your pitchfork, it resets into 'no stab' mode. All you guys "waiting" to get a ebike are blowing it..the bikes are refined trek rail no problems..going around the country slaying every trail I see chugging beer and laughing at all u haters.. believe me I guys will all be on one sooner than later. Plus integration looks like shit on those Nox bikes. I like to see a dynamo recharging system when the bike starts to coast downhill. Upon a little digging on the internet, it appears that this functionality is only on offer for Garmin users.
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